Bounty Hunters Get wrong House
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pappy87
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Post subject: Bounty Hunters Get wrong House Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:59 pm |
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I searched for it since the article It seems is a couple months old, but couldn't find anyone else that posted it. http://www.kfvs12.com/global/story.asp?s=10807004Quote: SIKESTON, MO (KFVS) - How would you feel if someone showed up at your house in the middle of the night demanding to come inside?
A Sikeston couple says they were not about to take a chance and open the door especially when the strangers would not identify themselves.
Now that couple wants their story heard that the people at the their door turned out to be bounty hunters from Mississippi.
The couple ended up being the wrong targets. Now those bounty hunters face charges themselves.
Jeremy McNeill was taken into custody in Arkansas. Tim Fugate was arrested in Scott County. The pleaded not guilty to acting without a license in court Wednesday.
"We hear this bam, bam, bam at our back door!" said David Carnell.
That's how he says the most terrifying night of his life began, with a stranger banging at his door.
"I said who is it? He says I'm here for Lawrence Carnell. I say there's no Lawrence Carnell, I'm David Carnell, you've got the wrong house! What are you doing at my back door? He says open the door or I'm gonna kick it in!"
Carnell says he grabbed his gun and aimed it through the glass doors at the man outside.
"I saw my laser shine through, and all of a sudden I looked down and he's shining his laser back at me, at my chest. I jumped back, and then Jenny comes running down the hall."
"I come around the corner and the light shined on my chest," Jenny Carnell, Danny's wife said. "I was freaking out and jumped back."
The couple says thankfully no one opened fire. Instead, Jenny Carnell called 911.
"I felt like I was in a bad dream, it's not real," she said.
The couple eventually spotted a police car outside and opened the door.
"All of a sudden, a guy comes running up to me and says "Are you Lawrence Carnell?" I said I'm David Carnell, I told you who I was. Why are you at my back door at three in the morning? He says "We are bounty hunters, we have the right to believe you are harboring a fugitive.""
And here's the kicker: Carnell says the two men with the Tri-State Fugitive Apprehension Team even got the name of the fugitive wrong.
The warrant lists someone named Lawrence Butler, not Lawrence Carnell; and he's wanted on a misdemeanor charge.
"Ultimately bounty hunters have more power than law enforcement," said Sikeston Chief Drew Juden. "It's a big concern for us."
He says one of his officers escorted the bounty hunters to the Carnell's property line, but it turns out the Mississippi men didn't have the authority to take the action they did.
"They don't have any authority in the state unless they are licensed or unless they have a licensed agent with them in Missouri."
So should the bounty hunters have been allowed to go out there?
"I'm not sure if we have the right to restrict them." Chief Juden said.
Now, the bounty hunters face felony charges for acting without a license, but David Carnell says that's not enough.
"I'm not through stirring this pot," Carnell said. "Those guys need to be taught a lesson."
The two suspects will be arraigned in Scott County Wednesday morning.
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340PD
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Post subject: Re: Bounty Hunters Get wrong House Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:56 am |
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Quote: He says "We are bounty hunters, we have the right to believe you are harboring a fugitive." And I have the right to believe you are an idiot for pounding on my back door in the middle of the night when you have the wrong address and the wrong name you moron!.
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RobD
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Post subject: Re: Bounty Hunters Get wrong House Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:02 am |
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pappy87 wrote: Carnell says he grabbed his gun and aimed it through the glass doors at the man outside.
"I saw my laser shine through, and all of a sudden I looked down and he's shining his laser back at me, at my chest. I jumped back, and then Jenny comes running down the hall." Laser tag... wow.
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Re: Bounty Hunters Get wrong House Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:02 am |
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JimC
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Post subject: Re: Bounty Hunters Get wrong House Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:43 pm |
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Just as bad as that fake tv show "Operation Repo" What a joke.
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Mattxd
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Post subject: Re: Bounty Hunters Get wrong House Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:00 pm |
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A few months back I had a bounty hunter at my door. Middle of the afternoon I opened up the door and there was some 5' nothing with a clipboard and silly badge. She asked if i was some dude, I asked who she was while trying to read her badge. Then she got snippy and asked I was dude at some address, I told her in a few words that she didn't even have the right street. She asked if i knew how to get there, I suggested she un-invert her view and get a map. The whole experience got under my skin, so that evening I decided to "clean a few things" on the kitchen table. After this I decided that i wouldn't answer the door without checking even in the burbs. I know that it was just a smaller woman but odds were she wouldn't be the one knocking next time
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Rip Van Winkle
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Post subject: Re: Bounty Hunters Get wrong House Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:51 pm |
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So let's say Larry the Bounty Hunter guy and his apprentice are pounding on your door in the middle of the night threatening to kick it in. Your on the phone to 911 and you see a laser on yourself or a loved one. Would that be considered enough of a threat to open fire? or would you have to wait until they actually broke down the door?
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tman065
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Post subject: Re: Bounty Hunters Get wrong House Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:02 pm |
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Rip Van Winkle wrote: So let's say Larry the Bounty Hunter guy and his apprentice are pounding on your door in the middle of the night threatening to kick it in. Your on the phone to 911 and you see a laser on yourself or a loved one. Would that be considered enough of a threat to open fire? or would you have to wait until they actually broke down the door? Laser from what? A pistol, a taser, a laser pointer?
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Post subject: Re: Bounty Hunters Get wrong House Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:25 am |
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This is one case where tactically, lasers can be a bad move. Tell the interloper to leave, that the police are being called.
Meanwhile aim the un-laser-ed 12 Gauge at the door.
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Moby Clarke
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Post subject: Re: Bounty Hunters Get wrong House Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:44 pm |
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I think Rip's question is a good one. You have several guys, early am, threatening to break down your door, a laser dot on your chest. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but is not pointing a laser at an airliner cockpit a no-no?
Taken all together as above, would one be in the wrong to, while yelling 5-O is enroute, to fire or would one have to wait for the door to be breached?
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Inebrius
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Post subject: Re: Bounty Hunters Get wrong House Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:13 pm |
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That's a question only a jury can answer. In Minnesota at least, you're going to jail for some felony or another. No way around that...
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