Is my permit valid on Indian Reservations?
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Stecker
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Post subject: Is my permit valid on Indian Reservations? Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:22 pm |
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I am new here, so this has probably been answered but I could not find it. I am periodically on Tribe land, and I am not sure if my permit is valid there or not. Thank you in advance for your help.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:26 pm |
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It isn't unless they specifically say it is, as they have control over laws on their land. None do, as far as I know. You should be OK if you're on state roads that pass through reservations, just don't stop.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:56 pm |
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On occassion I spend a full day, and some times over night working with the Tribe on special projects. Based on what you said, I guess that means I should leave it at home. I use a deep concealment set-up and have never been "caught" carrying, but I would not want to risk loosing a gun or deal with their legal system.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:14 pm |
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reaver3 wrote: It isn't unless they specifically say it is, as they have control over laws on their land. None do, as far as I know. You should be OK if you're on state roads that pass through reservations, just don't stop. Oh, and welcome. ![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
You sound a lot more certain than I am. Minnesota reservations other than Red Lake are subject to State criminal law.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:21 pm |
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Stecker
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:26 pm |
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Thank you!!
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:44 pm |
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At the res I work at, if I carry on the job, I will be fired without appeal. No second chances.
If you, as a, guest are found to be carrying they will ask you to leave, or at least store the firearm in your vehicle. Once the vehicle is stowed, you're free to enter the casino.
A couple things; security has never in my recollection searched a persons pockets, run metal detector over a guest, or even patted a guest down (again, not to my recollection).
That being said, the agreement as I understand it is that the tribe I work for has an enforcement agreement with the local police agency. For the most part, Minnesota Laws apply to the guests.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:09 pm |
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I believe that Red Lake tribal law has NO jurisdiction over non-band members. That being said, if there is an issue, you may never see your firearm again.
On the other reservations, state law applies.
Anyone else?
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:21 pm |
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Did that one guy ever get his airplane back after landing on the wrong Red Lake?
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:24 pm |
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He did, but he had to trailer it and pay a civil penalty to the tribe.
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:23 pm |
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tman065 wrote: I believe that Red Lake tribal law has NO jurisdiction over non-band members. That being said, if there is an issue, you may never see your firearm again.
On the other reservations, state law applies.
Anyone else?
Well, just the tiny little Bois Fort reservation up north in the middle of nowhere. If you blink, you might miss it.
Like everywhere else, there's the law, then there's "How much justice can you afford?" I don't doubt that on some PL280 reservations, they might illegally seize your firearm, and you might have trouble getting it back. The law is on your side, but possession is nine tenths of the law.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:23 pm |
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When I was 17 I had a little run in with the little six security team. They decided my ID was fake (which it was'nt, it was real just altered ![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif) )They escorted me to a security lounge never searched or questioned me and then fed me dinner while we waited for the sheriff. He ticketed me for a felony but let me go home since I was polite and didnt cause any trouble. Its a felony to alter state documents who knew. It was however reduced then dropped since I chose arbitration in Anoka county and it happened to come up on my 18th b day. The man said your 18 now next time you go to the slammer have a nice life I don't expect to see you again and he was right.
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reaver3
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:54 am |
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Thanks for the clarifications, Andrew and tman065.
Quote: The law is on your side, but possession is nine tenths of the law.
No, they can't take my preciousssss! ![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
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cobb
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:30 am |
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Gee, I am surprised that someone didn't jump in and ask who's permit class did you attend.
I mean, I cover Public Law 280 in my class, doesn't everyone? ![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:53 am |
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Now that you mention it, I think I will add a slide to my class. I can afford the additional 30 seconds.
cobb wrote: Gee, I am surprised that someone didn't jump in and ask who's permit class did you attend. ![Confused :?](./images/smilies/icon_confused.gif) I mean, I cover Public Law 280 in my class, doesn't everyone? ![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
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