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Dick Unger wrote:

Traveler wrote:

If Mr. Cornish has a problem in dealing with those who take issue with his stands on various bills then he probably should not be allowed to interface with people on any level.

Man, you should work for Fox News.

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Doyle: Local communities should be able to bar open carrying of guns
By Stacy Forster of the Journal Sentinel
Full Story
Posted: Apr. 21, 2009 12:00 p.m.

Madison - Local communities should be able to adopt their own ordinances relating to guns, including prohibiting people from carrying them openly, Gov. Jim Doyle said Tuesday.

Doyle, a Democrat, was reacting to a memorandum from Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen on Monday that said it's legal to openly carry a gun on the street in Wisconsin. Van Hollen advised prosecutors that merely having a gun doesn't warrant a disorderly conduct charge.

Doyle said prosecutors and police departments will have to weigh whether such situations constitute disorderly conduct, but said a former state policy that allowed local governments to enact their own ordinances requiring guns made sense.

"To me it's a very different issue whether you're walking down Wisconsin Avenue in Milwaukee with a gun on your hip and that's very different than if you're carrying a hunting rifle through a town during hunting season," Doyle said to reporters following an event at Edgewood College.

In 1995, former Gov. Tommy G. Thompson signed into law a bill wiping out about 35 local gun-control ordinances, saying he wanted to empower individuals, not the government. Doyle, who was attorney general at the time, opposed the [1995 Preemption] law, arguing it jeopardized the safety of Wisconsin citizens.

Carrying concealed weapons is not allowed in Wisconsin. Doyle twice vetoed legislation that would have made concealed carry legal.

Doyle stopped short of calling on the Legislature to change the law.

"I think we're just going to have to see how this plays out with local DAs and local police departments," Doyle said.

sigman wrote:

It pisses me off that this bill hasn't been put to death yet. I find it hard to believe that the Fudds are very active in supporting this trojan horse.

sigman wrote:

I find it hard to believe that the Fudds are very active in supporting this trojan horse.

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XXXX, sorry it has taken so long to get back to you but we are working long hours debating bills on the House floor. I understand your concerns and will share them with Cornish and Dill. Those two Representatives are very "gun" friendly and won't do anything to jeopardize our gun rights!

Thanks for being involved and hope all is well, Rod

Rep. Rod Hamilton
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473.121 DEFINITIONS.

Subd. 2.Metropolitan area or area.

"Metropolitan area" or "area" means the area over which the Metropolitan Council has jurisdiction, including only the counties of Anoka; Carver; Dakota excluding the city of Northfield; Hennepin excluding the cities of Hanover and Rockford; Ramsey; Scott excluding the city of New Prague; and Washington.

joelr wrote:

NRA really is screwing this up.

DeanC wrote:

Interesting - the legal definition of the Seven County Metro area: (I'll bet the hoplophobes in Northfield wouldn't be too thrilled)

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kimberman wrote:

TUESDAY, April 28, 2009
8:00 AM
Finance
Room: 200 State Office Building
Chair: Rep. Lyndon Carlson

Agenda:
HF1238 (Dill) Omnibus game and fish bill.

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Proposed Bill, H.F. 128

The reading of the bill indicates that it will be legal to transport an uncased and *loaded* firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle unless a person is prohibited from possessing a firearm. The two exceptions at the end of the proposal would continue to make it illegal to have a uncased or loaded gun in a car when shining deer or using night vision equipment. I also note that the statute does not limit application to instances where a person is hunting or during hunting seasons.

For the complete wording of the bill please follow this link: H. F. No. 128

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The Indian boy started to go up to the top of a mountain in search of his vision. And as he climbed up the mountain, the air got cooler and cooler. And he came upon a snake laying in the path. The snake was shivering, and said to the boy. "Please help me. I can't move, I am so cold that I can no longer make it any further down the mountain."
The boy said to the snake "No way! You're a snake, if I pick you up, you'll bite me!" The snake replied. "No, no I won't, I promise I won't bite you if you'll only pick me up and help get me down the mountain."
So the young boy picked up the snake, put him in his shirt, and continued climbing to the top of the mountain in search of his vision. When he got back down to the bottom of the mountain, he reached in, took out the snake, and the snake bit the young boy.
The boy replied to the snake "Hey! You bit me, you said that if I'd help you out, that you wouldn't bite me!"
The snake replied "But you knew what I was when you picked me up”

Author:	Traveler [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:39 pm ]
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Dick Unger wrote: Traveler wrote: If Mr. Cornish has a problem in dealing with those who take issue with his stands on various bills then he probably should not be allowed to interface with people on any level. Man, you should work for Fox News. Was there someone here that stated I did not? A "wrong" stand on an issue does not suddenly become a "correct" stand simply due to the associations of that person. Given strict limitations and a narrowly defined interpretation, I am quite certain Mr. Cornish is a fine Representative and a fine person.

Author:	PocketProtector642 [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:54 pm ]
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For anyone not sold on what is being talked about here, take a look next door to WI. If the "hunters convenience bill" gets through, this is the mindset that will result. Every city and county will have its own laws and it own case law to keep track of. My brain isn't big enough for that! We would all turn into lawbreakers just by driving to the Cub Foods. Quote: Doyle: Local communities should be able to bar open carrying of guns By Stacy Forster of the Journal Sentinel Full Story Posted: Apr. 21, 2009 12:00 p.m. Madison - Local communities should be able to adopt their own ordinances relating to guns, including prohibiting people from carrying them openly, Gov. Jim Doyle said Tuesday. Doyle, a Democrat, was reacting to a memorandum from Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen on Monday that said it's legal to openly carry a gun on the street in Wisconsin. Van Hollen advised prosecutors that merely having a gun doesn't warrant a disorderly conduct charge. Doyle said prosecutors and police departments will have to weigh whether such situations constitute disorderly conduct, but said a former state policy that allowed local governments to enact their own ordinances requiring guns made sense. "To me it's a very different issue whether you're walking down Wisconsin Avenue in Milwaukee with a gun on your hip and that's very different than if you're carrying a hunting rifle through a town during hunting season," Doyle said to reporters following an event at Edgewood College. In 1995, former Gov. Tommy G. Thompson signed into law a bill wiping out about 35 local gun-control ordinances, saying he wanted to empower individuals, not the government. Doyle, who was attorney general at the time, opposed the [1995 Preemption] law, arguing it jeopardized the safety of Wisconsin citizens. Carrying concealed weapons is not allowed in Wisconsin. Doyle twice vetoed legislation that would have made concealed carry legal. Doyle stopped short of calling on the Legislature to change the law. "I think we're just going to have to see how this plays out with local DAs and local police departments," Doyle said.

Author:	joelr [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:15 pm ]
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Yup.

Author:	sigman [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:18 pm ]
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It pisses me off that this bill hasn't been put to death yet. I find it hard to believe that the Fudds are very active in supporting this trojan horse.

Author:	joelr [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:22 pm ]
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sigman wrote: It pisses me off that this bill hasn't been put to death yet. I find it hard to believe that the Fudds are very active in supporting this trojan horse. And not just the outstate Fudds; some metro-area ones, as well. NRA really is screwing this up.

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Author:	realtor_packing_heat [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:35 pm ]
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sigman wrote: I find it hard to believe that the Fudds are very active in supporting this trojan horse. Well said, "trojan horse" is right! The NRA has gone from supporting it to neutral, so why not go to opposition? Do you think the reason they are all so calm about this is they plan on taking the senate's language without this amendment? Or as I fear are they just that dumb

Author:	ree [ Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:34 am ]
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And another rep response trickles in...containing a bad assumption: Quote: XXXX, sorry it has taken so long to get back to you but we are working long hours debating bills on the House floor. I understand your concerns and will share them with Cornish and Dill. Those two Representatives are very "gun" friendly and won't do anything to jeopardize our gun rights! Thanks for being involved and hope all is well, Rod Rep. Rod Hamilton ...

Author:	plblark [ Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:36 am ]
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I'd put it to stubbornness at this point.

Author:	DeanC [ Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:42 am ]
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Interesting - the legal definition of the Seven County Metro area: (I'll bet the hoplophobes in Northfield wouldn't be too thrilled) Quote: 473.121 DEFINITIONS. Subd. 2.Metropolitan area or area. "Metropolitan area" or "area" means the area over which the Metropolitan Council has jurisdiction, including only the counties of Anoka; Carver; Dakota excluding the city of Northfield; Hennepin excluding the cities of Hanover and Rockford; Ramsey; Scott excluding the city of New Prague; and Washington.

Author:	Carbide Insert [ Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:19 am ]
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joelr wrote: NRA really is screwing this up. Oddly enough, I've never heard that said about JPFO, GOA, or SAF. However, I have heard it often enough, and with far more frequency than one would want or expect, about the NRA. Funny that.

Author:	kimberman [ Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:00 pm ]
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DeanC wrote: Interesting - the legal definition of the Seven County Metro area: (I'll bet the hoplophobes in Northfield wouldn't be too thrilled) Quote: 473.121 DEFINITIONS. Subd. 2.Metropolitan area or area. "Metropolitan area" or "area" means the area over which the Metropolitan Council has jurisdiction, including only the counties of Anoka; Carver; Dakota excluding the city of Northfield; Hennepin excluding the cities of Hanover and Rockford; Ramsey; Scott excluding the city of New Prague; and Washington. No. The bill EXPRESSLY refers to subdivision 4 which is a much BROADER definition. Sloppy drafting but effective.

Author:	kimberman [ Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:01 pm ]
Post subject:	Hearing on Tuesday morning!
TUESDAY, April 28, 2009 8:00 AM Finance Room: 200 State Office Building Chair: Rep. Lyndon Carlson Agenda: HF1238 (Dill) Omnibus game and fish bill.

Author:	SultanOfBrunei [ Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:37 pm ]
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kimberman wrote: TUESDAY, April 28, 2009 8:00 AM Finance Room: 200 State Office Building Chair: Rep. Lyndon Carlson Agenda: HF1238 (Dill) Omnibus game and fish bill. Is this something we should be trying to attend? If so, how long will it likely run? An hour or two; or all day?

Author:	joelr [ Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:45 pm ]
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I dunno. That said, the hearing in the Finance committee should, by and large, restrict itself to the financial aspects of the bill, and aspects of the bill that I'm concerned about aren't the financial ones. That said, I think that this is going to be opposed from folks on both sides -- the folks over at Citizens for a <s>Supine</s> "Safer" Minnesota[/url] seem to have taken note of it: Quote: Proposed Bill, H.F. 128 The reading of the bill indicates that it will be legal to transport an uncased and loaded firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle unless a person is prohibited from possessing a firearm. The two exceptions at the end of the proposal would continue to make it illegal to have a uncased or loaded gun in a car when shining deer or using night vision equipment. I also note that the statute does not limit application to instances where a person is hunting or during hunting seasons. For the complete wording of the bill please follow this link: H. F. No. 128 Of course, Dill's . . . ploy of burying the language in HF1238 will probably fool them.

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Author:	Scott Hughes [ Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:19 pm ]
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The authors of this bill should know better than to get in bed with the likes of Dill, Anderson-Kelliher, Pogemiller, et.al They will pervert this bill any chance they get They played the same game with them with the Clean water, Land and Legacy Amendment. You can read here how they play the game now that the Amendment is law. http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdo ... :_Yyc:aUUs They need to keep this old story in mind, and learn from it: Quote: The Indian boy started to go up to the top of a mountain in search of his vision. And as he climbed up the mountain, the air got cooler and cooler. And he came upon a snake laying in the path. The snake was shivering, and said to the boy. "Please help me. I can't move, I am so cold that I can no longer make it any further down the mountain." The boy said to the snake "No way! You're a snake, if I pick you up, you'll bite me!" The snake replied. "No, no I won't, I promise I won't bite you if you'll only pick me up and help get me down the mountain." So the young boy picked up the snake, put him in his shirt, and continued climbing to the top of the mountain in search of his vision. When he got back down to the bottom of the mountain, he reached in, took out the snake, and the snake bit the young boy. The boy replied to the snake "Hey! You bit me, you said that if I'd help you out, that you wouldn't bite me!" The snake replied "But you knew what I was when you picked me up”