hehe, no offense intended plblark, for lack of a better term I referred to myself as a civilian, I don't personally consider most LEO's to be any better than myself, most of the ones I have dealt with are on a power trip, try to make me nervous or intimidate me, and generally leave a bad taste in my mouth. There are a handful I have been impressed with, sadly the ratio isn't too great. But if I can get their pricing on a Glock I'm ok with that