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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:27 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:24 am Posts: 6767 Location: Twin Cities
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Well, as a SmartCarry, um, carrier, it hasn't been something I've considered.
On the weekends when I really don't care who sees, I use an OWB holster (with a cover garment, but I'm not paranoid about printing or flashing). People seem to be either really blind or really indifferent to the gun.
I'm voting for blind.
Of course, I'm really, really white as well. I can't speak for anyone else with different life experiences.
Quote: But so far, the *only* situation you've brought up that you think it might help in, is if :
A) The badge carrier is in a minority that will potentially be viewed as evil by a responding LEO.
B) The responding LEO badly needs some diversity training.
Honestly, I doubt if I could swing a cat in Minneapolis without hitting a cop that meets that description. The MPD's reputation is known nationwide, and it ain't a gentle one.
_________________ * NRA, UT, MADFI certified Minnesota Permit to Carry instructor, and one of 66,513 law-abiding permit holders. Read my blog.
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Janitor
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:33 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:46 pm Posts: 92 Location: Lakeville, MN
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Quote: Honestly, I doubt if I could swing a cat in Minneapolis without hitting a cop that meets that description. The MPD's reputation is known nationwide, and it ain't a gentle one.
Point well taken.
_________________ "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" Carl Sagen
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taggart
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Post subject: Re: CCW Badges Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:41 am |
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Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:30 am Posts: 17 Location: Minot, ND
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Pakrat wrote: johnalbert wrote: The first time he open carried he was wearing a SWAT shirt and SWAT hat. These old ladies were talking "I wonder if he's in SWAT". They were looking for his badge and saw his gun "Yup, he's in SWAT".
So, wouldn't this be the same thing as carrying a CCW badge? I see a lot of guys with ATF hats, police shirts, stuff like that. And I don't know if they are, or not.
I'd be curious to see what everybody thinks about this scenario (which is taken from one of the CCW badge sites where they sell them): You're in a shootout with a bad guy and the cops pull up. Bad guy says "This guy's gonna kill me! Shoot him!" You say "I'm a CCW permit holder" and you hold up your badge which the cops can see from where they happen to be.
I'm not sure about this whole CCW badge thing. There are some good arguments on both sides. (Eeek! Did I just become a wishy-washy centrist? Nah! )
Wow! I just noticed this is a REAL old topic! Sorry. But who knows, maybe it'll get some more responses.
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A Brit in MN
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Post subject: Re: CCW Badges Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:42 pm |
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Joined: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:32 pm Posts: 1803 Location: Woodbury
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taggart wrote: Pakrat wrote: johnalbert wrote: The first time he open carried he was wearing a SWAT shirt and SWAT hat. These old ladies were talking "I wonder if he's in SWAT". They were looking for his badge and saw his gun "Yup, he's in SWAT". So, wouldn't this be the same thing as carrying a CCW badge? I see a lot of guys with ATF hats, police shirts, stuff like that. And I don't know if they are, or not. I'd be curious to see what everybody thinks about this scenario (which is taken from one of the CCW badge sites where they sell them): You're in a shootout with a bad guy and the cops pull up. Bad guy says "This guy's gonna kill me! Shoot him!" You say "I'm a CCW permit holder" and you hold up your badge which the cops can see from where they happen to be. I'm not sure about this whole CCW badge thing. There are some good arguments on both sides. (Eeek! Did I just become a wishy-washy centrist? Nah! ) Wow! I just noticed this is a REAL old topic! Sorry. But who knows, maybe it'll get some more responses.
What part of "LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS, LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS, DOWN ON THE GROUND DOWN ON THE GROUND.........NOW!!!
Lets you calmly hold up a badge, regardless of WHAT IT SAYS!!
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mo_the_mouse
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:08 pm |
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Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:48 am Posts: 517 Location: Coon Rapids
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Um...yeah. CCW Badge is just asking for trouble. Your permit will explain volumes to a police officer. He will look at it after you have followed all of his instructions and he has the situation in his control. Flashing a CCW badge is probably going to just tick him off.
My .02.
_________________ MADFI Certified Instructor
NRA Certified Instructor
That is all....
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Fubar
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:35 pm |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:12 pm Posts: 289
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I have a NYPD sweatshirt that I never wear while carrying. If something were to happen, I am certain it would be mentioned in court. If I accidently print and someone calls the cops, well cops aren't big fans of people they perceive to be wannabes.
Too much potential for grief.
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Dick Unger
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:09 pm |
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Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:54 am Posts: 2444 Location: West Central MN
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If you are questioned by security types for open carry a "badge" might slow them down. Flash your "badge" with your permit, tell them you are personally licensed to carry firearms and they should not interfere. (Be sure you do not tell them you work for the State.)
They might say "I'm sorry, go on about your business."
As long as you don't claim governmental authority, you would not be breaking the law, just treading at the edge. You're simply asking them to change their mind or change the rules for you.
I'm not recomending that course of action, simply speculating on a useful purpose for a carry badge. And they might accuse you of claiming to be a Police Officer. So......
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Pat
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:43 pm |
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Joined: Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:18 pm Posts: 422 Location: Maple Grove
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This whole badge-carry biz sounds an awful lot like auto-Darwinism…
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Brewman
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:21 am |
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Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:39 pm Posts: 1132 Location: Prior Lake, MN
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If there is a practical use for one of those badges, I sure can't think of one. I can see their appeal to the cop wannabe types, but that in itself is a pretty scary situation.
_________________ Brewman
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onebohemian
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:18 am |
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Joined: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:52 pm Posts: 407 Location: Northern Burbs
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Brewman wrote: If there is a practical use for one of those badges, I sure can't think of one.
When I inspected one at the last gun show at which they were sold, the first thing that popped into my mind in light of the weight and shape as I held it in my hand was a personal query of how many skips I might be able to accomplish with the thing across a calm pond.
_________________ Mark
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Srigs
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:24 am |
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onebohemian wrote: Brewman wrote: If there is a practical use for one of those badges, I sure can't think of one. When I inspected one at the last gun show at which they were sold, the first thing that popped into my mind in light of the weight and shape as I held it in my hand was a personal query of how many skips I might be able to accomplish with the thing across a calm pond.
I love skipping badges!
_________________ Srigs
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"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking" - George S. Patton
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phorvick
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:15 am |
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Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:37 pm Posts: 1571 Location: Detroit Lakes, MN
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I have a badge already. It is a laminated card issued by the Otter Tail County Sheriff that says "State of Minnesota Permit to Carry a Pistol".
In my opinion, (and it is not so humble): Any other badge is meaningless and has -0- (that is zero) use.
Of course, YMMV.
_________________ Paul Horvick
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tepin
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:08 am |
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Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:00 pm Posts: 1064 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I would be embarrassed to wear one.
I would rather wear a t-shirt that said, “SECRET AGENT”.
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plblark
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:41 am |
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tepin wrote: I would be embarrassed to wear one. I would rather wear a t-shirt that said, “SECRET AGENT”.
I want one of the Witness Protection ones...
Front: [large Logo of WPP]
Back: Text: You Don't Know Me
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Old Dude
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:06 am |
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Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:44 pm Posts: 842 Location: Phillips Neighborhood Minneapolis
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